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Re: "You're not going to learn how to program in BASIC any

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Subject: Re: "You're not going to learn how to program in BASIC any
From: Charles Yeomans <charles at declareSub dot com>
Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2005 12:04:52 -0400
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On Sep 30, 2005, at 11:35 AM, Ethan Rutter wrote:

In practice it's been far easier for us to bring a mathematician up to speed on good practices in our development environment (which is only used in the semiconductor field...Grapheq anyone? CELLman?) than to teach CS types how to analyze and solve problems...something the math/eng has been learning all along. I suppose we may also be using the term "software engineer" a bit differently. A lot of companies throw around the term rather loosely when what they really mean is developer or programmer. We're looking for people who can not only design/develop but who also have a real tack toward engineering...the best ones have a math/science major and either a minor or significant coursework (i.e., much more than just a class in C/C++) in CS.

Don't misunderstand. I'm not bashing CS departments or students, and for other specialized functions we do hire primarily those types (e.g., sys admins, dba). In our automation environment the major constraints aren't physical (e.g., RAM, HD access, CPU availability, network volume/speed) but logical. The CS types we've seen may be *great* at taking an already solved problem and coming up with the best possible implementation for it. We need folks who can solve the problem to begin with.

[Note to Americans who are afraid of outsourcing and jobs moving offshore: most of the Asian and Indian/Pakistani CS candidates have been much better. Not cheaper. Better. But then, they already knew calculus coming out of high school. The rest of the world really gets math and physics...why's it so hard for us?]

It's not; this is in large part a myth. It's usually the stronger people that make their way to the US, and they have already survived a brutally-competitive winnowing process. The US is plenty strong in mathematics and mathematics education; indeed, US universities have been overproducing postgrads in mathematics and science for many years.


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Charles Yeomans

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